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too fucking soon!
Just a friendly reminder that at JibCon 2013, Misha and Jensen answered a whopping TWO questions in 47 minutes.
THEY SPENT THE REST OF THE TIME FLIRTING.
2x03 - Bloodlust
And note that he pauses and says “okay” so that it seems like he isn’t going to lash out, and then he does. He does this to Soulless!Sam in 6x06 too.
Right. This is something that’s very consistent when Dean gets violent. He doesn’t snap and lash out in the heat of the moment. He stops, thinks about it, establishes as much control as he can, and then throws a punch.
You could argue this behavior of maintaining control in anger is because he experienced the alternative too often not to make a personal promise he would never loose it. I also would really like that to be turning point for demon dean to realize how far gone he is; to lash out without the control. I want it to be on Cas as well when Cas’s grace is all but burned out. Because then he’d have the “he can’t take it” attitude to realize Cas can’t. A shell shocked Sam in the background. Yelling for dean to stop and then one panicked “john” or “dad” from Sam. It would be one of the most amazing scenes.
So, what, because he makes a cool, conscious calculation to act badly (up to and including beating Sam bloody), that is less morally wrong?
I am quite disturbed by the idea that Sam acting like the prototypical Good Battering Victim by being satisfyingly vulnerable and cowed would be an “amazing scene.” And frankly, if seeing that he has hurt Sam motivates demon!Dean to change his behavior, then demon!Dean is a significant improvement over human!Dean.
There is so much wrong with the idea that the idea that Dean abuses while in control is a good thing. Abuse is never acceptable, and saying you are out of control is usually simple abuse apologism. But hitting while calmly in control means the abuser is FULLY AWARE they intend to inflict pain and the only purpose is to inflict pain. To me that is far more unforgivable than hitting on impulse and in anger. The poster is flat out suggesting that since Dean is calm and controlled that abusing Sam is rational and acceptable.
I also am amazed at the idea that Demon!Dean will be a better person than human Dean. As you note, hurting Sam physically has never bothered Dean. Why Dean as a demon would suddenly be concerned about Sam being hurt or the fact that Dean is hurting Sam in the “wrong” way i.e. when out of control baffles me. Plus most demons don’t hurt people because they are out of control. They all seem to be very calculating and inflict pain for thought out reasons.
What really bothers me is the deification of Dean. Dean is so good and pure of heart that he will overcome demonhood all by himself because of his innate goodness. The fact that he got himself into this mess has no bearing. The fact that demons are evil has not bearing. Dean the good will rise above all these considerations. No one will need to “heal” or “save” Dean because he will do it all himself. It’s just Dean apologism to the highest degree.
LEMME NERD OUT FOR A MINUTE
TURNING YOURSELF INTO SOMETHING\CURSING YOURSELF IS A STOCK TROPE OF FAIRY TALES
LITERALLY THE ONLY WAY TO REVERSE IT
IS TO CHANGE YOURSELF
TO NOT BE A DEMON
*DEAN HAS TO STOP HURTING SAM AND START BEING A GOOD PERSON*
AND I LOVE THIS
BECAUSE I WANT AN ABUSER TO SEE THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR
I WANT THEM TO HATE THEMSELVES
I WANT POPULAR MEDIA TO SAY ‘IF YOU ABUSE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE’
I WANT DEAN TO BE CONDEMNED
AND I WANT HIM TO *CHOOSE TO CHANGE*
BECAUSE IT ISN’T SAM’S JOB TO CHANGE HIM
IT ISN’T SOMEONE ELSE’S JOB TO SAVE HIM
HE HAS TO FIX HIMSELF
"Can I have a bite of your apple?"
It’s the episode where John makes a deal to bring Dean back to life
And I’m like, “Wait a minute. I know that sigil….”
When we don’t have continuity errors, we get stuff like this
We either have continuity abysses or we have extreme foreshadowing there is no inbetween
"I need your help because you are the only one who’ll help me.”